ARENA Rising (FULL SHOW IS UP!): Results and Discussion/Feedback Thread

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ARENA Rising (FULL SHOW IS UP!): Results and Discussion/Feedback Thread

Postby fullMETAL » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:07 am

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The show is now finished!

Here's the intro, in its full 720p/60fps glory! - https://youtu.be/PYxx_vHfGos

If you're not in the chat, or you missed it and watched it after, go ahead and leave your feedback in the replies below!
Use the Spoiler tag for spoilers, obviously.

The Pre-Show and its intro are now officially up on YouTube in proper 720p 60fps!
Intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKLelPszy_s
Daniel Shine/Fishy Joe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XrqFH5iYs8
The Black Dragon/Domino Rouge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhDqsC70ll0
Fame/Rilantha De Nav: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30WIjXxEB40
Lance Marshall/RECKLESS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=538fw2opLu8
Internet Championship - Hana Brightly/Felix Santana Jr. (c): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_6XauNp3g

Pre-Show Results:
Spoiler: show
Fishy Joe def. Daniel Shine
Domino Rouge def. The Black Dragon
Fame def. Rilantha De Nav
Lance Marshall def. Reckless
Hana Brightly def. Felix Santana Jr. to become the NEW INTERNET CHAMPION


Main Show videos:
Intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYxx_vHfGos
Julian Caesaro/Doc Overdose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQqgkSiDsPw
Anarchy Championship - The Chon/Mick Garland (c): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQL6Q9O2Ho
Axl Evermore/Wonderland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6JvhRy9rLo
Young EMBER Contendership Battle Royal 1 (raw recording): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtnXTK3R9jY
(Bullsh!t/Carl Zilla/El Tigre de Vuelo/Felix Santana III/Kazuo Saji/Paint'd Black/Phil Stevens/Timothy James)
Young EMBER Contendership Battle Royal 2 (raw recording): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ed_38gxHVc
(Corazon de Dragon Jr./Jay Walker/Justin Starr/KAOS/Master Sault/Pizza/Shen Nguyen/Val Morgan)
Joshivision Contendership Battle Royal (raw recording): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llzAeb85yZw
(Abby Windsor/Araya/Alanna/Isobel Penrose/HTIWoman/Marley Hicks/Mercy Heaven/Wongirland)
Grand-Prix Contendership Battle Royal (raw recording): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmjVLXACBK4
(Brent Films/Glutton Butcher/Will Craddock/Roderick Brookes/Kay Thorsten/Sammi Rai/Firehawk Sentarl/Connor Curtis)
Geese Walker/Mystery Opponent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH3i7a2miXk
Aim for the ARMBARS/The ENGLAND CHAPS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgA9_lL35Kc
The Wacky Deli/The Masters of EXPERT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dvSpur7C6U
Battlefront Championship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYlrwZ9qUOY
(Hiko Sojirou/K/C-Drive/Rob Thorn/Tim Wolf/X/Kripplin' Kristofferson/UnImportantGuy (c))
DODEKAGON Championship - Heavy Devy/Elwood Allen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEdfC489ME8
Joshivision Championship - Marley Hicks/Yasuko Mizuki (c): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZGqrhIjUHk
Young EMBER Championship - Phil Stevens/KAOS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oadHHQOQT5A
Grand-Prix Championship - Sammi Rai/Jester Jay (c): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GexPXZNwI_g
Tag Team Championship - ELITE/League Of Liberty (c): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK4ydN7U0tI
Fire Pro Wrestling ARENA World Championship - Zachariah Zealot/Allen Riggs (c): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TjwRRJ2ZNU

Main Show Results:
Spoiler: show
Doc Overdose def. Julian Caesaro

Mick Garland successfully defends the Anarchy Championship against The Chon
Axl Evermore def. Wonderland on the 3rd fall
Phil Stevens won the first Young EMBER contendership battle royal
KAOS won the second Young EMBER contendership battle royal
Marley Hicks won the Joshivision contendership battle royal
Sammi Rai won the Grand-Prix contendership battle royal
Geese Walker def. mystery opponent Sonny X
Aim For The ARMBARS def. The ENGLAND CHAPS
The Masters Of EXPERT def. The Wacky Deli

Hiko Sojirou scored the final fall on X to become the new Battlefront Champion
Devy knocked Elwood out in the 2nd round to become the first DODKEGON Champion
Marley Hicks def. Yasuko Mizuki to become the new Joshivision Champion
Phil Stevens def. KAOS to become the first Young EMBER Champion
Sammi Rai def. Jester Jay to become the new Grand-Prix Champion
The Fire Pro ELITE def. The League Of Liberty to become the new World Tag Team Champions
Allen Riggs successfully defends the World Heavyweight Championship against Zachariah Zealot


The Twitch VODs have now expired, so please bear with me as I start uploading the main show matches starting this week. :)

Post-show press release:
Spoiler: show
"Next month, at the next FullMETAL FeaturedMATCH showcase focusing on determining the Tag Title Contendership Rankings, the main event will be a non-title match between new champions The Fire Pro ELITE and former champions The League Of Liberty to determine if the League will receive a championship rematch."

"Due to post-match shenanigans from defending World Heavyweight Champion Allen Riggs, the Board of Executives will convene an emergency session to determine whether he will be allowed to keep the championship, or if he'll be forced to vacate it."
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Re: ARENA Rising: Results and Discussion/Feedback Thread

Postby Zealot » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:49 am

Just saw your intro. A++ overall on the production of the event. Very cool.

It will be interesting to see what happens after the post-main event stuff.
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Re: ARENA Rising: Results and Discussion/Feedback Thread

Postby hellboyhitscar » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:37 pm

"Forced to vacate it" :lol:

That should be fun.

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Postby Zealot » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:01 pm

That beatdown was pent-up years of frustration in the making.
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Re: ARENA Rising: Results and Discussion/Feedback Thread

Postby NSL » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:13 pm

Dang. Where's an RP thread when you need one?

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Re: ARENA Rising: Results and Discussion/Feedback Thread

Postby senator » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:31 pm

NSL wrote:Dang. Where's an RP thread when you need one?


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There :ceese:

I generally always just drop a few promos in the middle of any sign up topic unless there's something like that.

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Re: ARENA Rising: Results and Discussion/Feedback Thread

Postby fullMETAL » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:17 pm

The intro is now uploaded to YouTube! - https://youtu.be/PYxx_vHfGos

(the 10-bell salute will be uploaded as part of the Doc/Ceese match, in case you were wondering where it is)
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Postby NSL » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:50 am

Much appreciated, Sen!

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Re: ARENA Rising: Results and Discussion/Feedback Thread

Postby orochigeese » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:08 am

I've just had a chance to catch the intro and some titles and didn't really have time to comment until now.

But Zealot said it perfectly:

Zealot wrote:Just saw your intro. A++ overall on the production of the event. Very cool.


10000000% this :markout: :ceese:

Honestly, I think that was the best introduction for any FPCPP event ever. FM deserves a TON of credit here for the entire presentation of this show but wow that introduction. Wow :markout: :markout:

I haven't had a chance to check out the matches yet but I did see:

Spoiler: show
YES!! I love that Geese's mystery opponent was Sonny X!! :markout: :markout:

Can't wait to watch that match!! Such a perfect match and 10 years after their original match in the FPCPP inaugural Championship Tournament.


I know I've given you some pushback on FPCPP/Arena matters in the past, FM. But I've never doubted your passion or creativity. That was on full display here and you raised the bar. You did the return show justice (and not just your tag team partner Justice :lol: ) This was FPCPP truly becoming Arena in 2018 8-)

A fitting 10 year Anniversary, return, rebranding, rising :numberone:


Also so damn happy that Riggs and Zealot FINALLY happened :lol: :zealot:

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Re: ARENA Rising: Results and Discussion/Feedback Thread

Postby soak314 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:23 am

I'm in a posting mood, so I'm going to put the feedback I gave you on the discord here for all to take a gander at.

  • Excellent production on the hype videos and the transitions. Everyone's saying it but I'll say it again, damn fine work.

  • Card is too gotdamn big. I realize it's a supercard for *the* community thing, but the show length can really hurt the watchability. I'd personally aim for 3 hours, absolute tops.

  • For future shows with battle royale placment matches, consider holding the royales as their own shows, separate from the card. Each of the two royales you had in the show could have been a separate stream on its own, not requiring the same amount of pomp and prep since it's just a placement match. You could have held these live during the weeks leading to the show, both building up edit familiarity with your audience and hype for the big event itself.

  • Additionally, consider a manually set 'gauntlet match' as opposed to the royale for future placements. Randomize entry order, have the participants face off in a chain of singles matches, loser is eliminated winner carries on to fight next entrant. This format is very engaging as each singles match has high stakes, and lets the participating edits have a bit of time in the spotlight. Royales are a clusterfuck, and personally I would be glad to see as little of them as possible in Big Community Things.


Now tread lightly, for you are about to enter the SUBJECTIVE DESIGN OPINIONS ZONE.

Spoiler: show
I'd tone down the graphics on the ramp a tad, the cascading logos just don't do it for me, way too busy. The logos on the barricades are really lossy too, I'd consider just making them plain black to help the ring pop. The ring itself is gorgeous.

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Postby Zealot » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:22 pm

soak314 wrote:[*] Card is too gotdamn big. I realize it's a supercard for *the* community thing, but the show length can really hurt the watchability. I'd personally aim for 3 hours, absolute tops.


To be fair, it's been like 4-5 years since we had a real supershow like this. This was also way before we lost Ceese and Fullbug as well. I'm sure cards following this will be much smaller.
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Postby fullMETAL » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:35 am

Indeed, future shows I hold (official or not) will be much smaller than this one.
For instance, my upcoming FullMETAL FeaturedMATCH: Tag Team Title Trials showcase will only be 7 (probably much-shorter) matches, and the Young EMBER Title Trials showcase after that will also be about the same number.

To address soak's point about putting the contendership matches on the event as opposed to on their own show beforehand, I'd considered that, but ultimately I personally felt that it would do a disservice to those matches and the handlers of the edits involved for not including them on the big giant supershow with the supershow's production values that were used (in addition, I didn't want to add extra pressure on myself to try and stream 2 shows within days of each other while I would still be finishing editing on both separately as opposed to one show with unified resources); as well as the increasing rush I was in to get editing done prior to the air-date (I take full responsibility for not having gotten that stuff done earlier when I promised back in January, and for all my future shows, I do plan on actually finishing resources ahead of time so that I can avoid crunches like this again).
The whole 5-to-6-hour runtime of the final version of the show mainly ended up being a byproduct of how long the individual matches were without being edited for time more than an intentional choice (as well as trying to get as many edits booked onto the show itself as possible, resulting in the 17 matches on the main show and the additional 5 pre-show matches). I might also consider editing longer elimination-style matches down for time in the future as a possible way of shortening show runtimes as a result of this. (one of the sims for the Tag Title match, for instance, ran for 40 in-game minutes before a technical glitch forced me to scrap it)

Btw, I really dig the Gauntlet idea, and I think I might consider implementing THAT for the format of the Young EMBER showcase (or for a Grand-Prix Title Trials showcase) as opposed to just singles matches between each ordered elimination from the 2 battle royal matches (as in, the #5 elimination from each faces each other, the #4 elimination, etc).

As for the arena's design choices, I'd had probably like 5 different ideas kicking around in my head (but considering that it would've taken at least 2 or more hours more worth of testing if I'd went through with testing all those texture ideas, I had to cut it down to 2 competing ideas -- the ring texture idea was already set from the very beginning, taking its root from the original FPWArena ring texture with some tweaks), and I agree that the colors were quite busy (while the standard Arena Orange+Gray combo could have sufficed, I wanted to pop the entire arena with more than just those 2 colors for the scheme), though the look of the ramp was 100% something I had in mind from the very beginning (admittedly, I could've implemented the flame-sides a bit better than they turned out).

My future arena looks will definitely be much more "sensible"-looking, a lot less busy, and the arena that I plan for my next big supershow-style event in 2019 (as well as my standardized SCS Arena texture set for all my FullMETAL FeaturedMATCH shows) will also look much more sensible, without trying to cram so much stuff into it.
I'm also considering a possible 2nd 2018 Arena-branded major event for sometime near Survivor Series time (I promise it'll have less than 15 matches on it, possibly 10-15 max), if there's enough agreement from all of you, and the textures for that will also be much less frantic than the ones were for ARENA Rising. (Hopefully I can keep the production values on that somewhat comparable to AR)

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Postby fullMETAL » Wed May 09, 2018 10:12 pm

More matches are now up, including the 100%-rated Geese vs Mystery Opponent match!
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Postby fullMETAL » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:30 pm

I know I've been behind in posting the matches for the show, but I promise I'm working on it.
First post updated with matches 9 and 10. :)
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Postby fullMETAL » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:05 pm

Updated with DODEKAGON Championship match; Battlefront Championship match will probably end up going up last since it's the longest one.
Next to go up is the Joshivision Championship match.

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Postby fullMETAL » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:37 pm

Updated with Joshivision and Young EMBER matches.
Next to go up is the Grand-Prix Championship match.
Thank you all for your patience thus far! :)
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3 more matches uploaded

Postby fullMETAL » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:39 pm

Grand-Prix, Tag Team, and World Championship matches are now up in the first post.
Next/last one will be the Battlefront Championship match.
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Re: ARENA Rising (FULL SHOW IS UP!): Results and Discussion/Feedback Thread

Postby fullMETAL » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:15 pm

FULL SHOW IS UP!
View the individual matches in the first post or brave the entire 6-hour journey HERE in the playlist! - https://youtu.be/playlist?list=PLAU_7nn ... fS6F8RHIiC
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